All I know is that pretty much EVERYTHING coming from the Ukrainians plus their NATO+Deep State puppeteers and accepted as gospel by the MSM turns out to be propaganda and gets debunked 2 days to a few weeks later... The Russians at least show real combat footage on their Telegram sites - not phony ARMA 3 videos... Does that mean everything the Russians say is true and everything they show is real? Of course not but they are showing a more accurate on the ground picture than what we are getting from the Ukrainians+MSM and their NATO-Deep State masters who want to start WW3 or something!
I don't dispute much - except for the fact that BOTH sides are lying like there's no tomorrow. That West plays Ukraine in order to damage Russia is a no-brainer, however I would like to know why Russia invaded in the first place (by which I mean Invasion of Donbas, Lugansk and Crimea AND now in 2022), because this doesn't add up. If you'll say because Ukrainians are nazis I will say bull***t. They are many things, few of them good (speaking as a Pole), but if that's the official reason, methinks it's time to turn Russia into glass parking, because nazi, commie - same thing to me.
However, I was asking this: if one of this memes is a Russian fake, what that makes YOU?
1) Donbas, Lugansk and Crimea = ethnic Russians and Russian speakers... 2) Yea, there are lots of Nazis in the Ukraine - its part of their nationalistic culture (I'm aware of the Holodorm etc)... 3) Would you want to be slowly surrounded by OR have NATO on your borders? Ask the Serbs... And half the middle east...
Btw, what are you Poles up to? NATO tried to get you to start WWIII with the MIGS but you passed that hot potato back to them! Are you guys after Lvov etc like the Russian sites claim? ;)
1. Donbas, Lugansk and Crimea aren't ethnic Russian, unless you consider "Uyghuring" natives ethnic cleansing... Just like Serbs in Kosovo were "removed" by Albanians. And I'm on record opposing Kosovo's independence. So, if Ukrainians and Tartars (Crimea) were resettled from those regions during and after WW2 and you sanction that, why the outrage now at anything Ukrainians do?
2. Technically, they're not Nazis... True, it is in some part cultural and historical anti-Russian sentiment... Holodomor is just part of it, minor at that - and consider this for a second: it not worst Russians did to Ukrainians, it's just the most glaring one. But for me it's meaningless - they are Ukrainian nationalists of Bandera and Vlasov colors, so as a Pole I do equate that and I am not amused by it.
3. Again, NATO did not invade anyone. Russia has more than enough to resist that invasion. And I'd like to point out that Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania are even worse in that anti-Russian sentiment and "pro-Nazi" views than Ukraine and it's all fine? Did you know, for example, that ethnic Russians living in Lithuania until joining the EU weren't even Lithuanian citizens? And that was because during USSR times Russians introduced ethnic apartheid in there (and other Baltic states)? Also, NATO did not invade Serbia. And I am young enough to remember Srebrenica and a lot of other places, and Serbs were, just like Russians now, told to stop. Or will you deny all the Balkan war Serbian atrocities, as well?
However, it is all completely beside the point because Russia GUARANTEED Ukrainian sovereignity over those regions when USSR fell. In the borders as they were for 20 years before Russian invasions... And, incidentally, Ukraine gave up nukes for those guarantees. If this - by which I mean Russian - style of operations meets your approval, then I guess we're done with this conversation.
As for us Poles - we are in the position that is unique in the world, because like Israel we have some bad blood with Germans (yes, Hitler singled US - JEWS AND POLES, but I guess we're used to be excluded by everyone from everything), AS WELL AS WITH SOVIETS (and Russians especially). There is genuine argument to be made that in many respects Soviet occupation was at least as bad as Nazi Germany prior, not to mention that in 1939 Poland was invaded by BOTH. We remember.
So do not try and lecture us about anything, please. You keep showing your superior ignorance of things, and coupled with your arrogance it is most hilarious (though not in a good way).
Just to be clear: one of these is russian propaganda, doesn't it mean then that all of them can be? Just askin....
All I know is that pretty much EVERYTHING coming from the Ukrainians plus their NATO+Deep State puppeteers and accepted as gospel by the MSM turns out to be propaganda and gets debunked 2 days to a few weeks later... The Russians at least show real combat footage on their Telegram sites - not phony ARMA 3 videos... Does that mean everything the Russians say is true and everything they show is real? Of course not but they are showing a more accurate on the ground picture than what we are getting from the Ukrainians+MSM and their NATO-Deep State masters who want to start WW3 or something!
I don't dispute much - except for the fact that BOTH sides are lying like there's no tomorrow. That West plays Ukraine in order to damage Russia is a no-brainer, however I would like to know why Russia invaded in the first place (by which I mean Invasion of Donbas, Lugansk and Crimea AND now in 2022), because this doesn't add up. If you'll say because Ukrainians are nazis I will say bull***t. They are many things, few of them good (speaking as a Pole), but if that's the official reason, methinks it's time to turn Russia into glass parking, because nazi, commie - same thing to me.
However, I was asking this: if one of this memes is a Russian fake, what that makes YOU?
1) Donbas, Lugansk and Crimea = ethnic Russians and Russian speakers... 2) Yea, there are lots of Nazis in the Ukraine - its part of their nationalistic culture (I'm aware of the Holodorm etc)... 3) Would you want to be slowly surrounded by OR have NATO on your borders? Ask the Serbs... And half the middle east...
HOWEVER, this somehow got past the censors at the NY Times and does a good job of actually explaining Putin's logic and what he is really after: https://dnyuz.com/2022/03/29/what-if-putin-didnt-miscalculate/
And from Pepe Escobar, who is probably on the Russian payroll, talks about Mariupol and its steel industry:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-how-mariupol-will-become-key-hub-eurasian-integration
Btw, what are you Poles up to? NATO tried to get you to start WWIII with the MIGS but you passed that hot potato back to them! Are you guys after Lvov etc like the Russian sites claim? ;)
1. Donbas, Lugansk and Crimea aren't ethnic Russian, unless you consider "Uyghuring" natives ethnic cleansing... Just like Serbs in Kosovo were "removed" by Albanians. And I'm on record opposing Kosovo's independence. So, if Ukrainians and Tartars (Crimea) were resettled from those regions during and after WW2 and you sanction that, why the outrage now at anything Ukrainians do?
2. Technically, they're not Nazis... True, it is in some part cultural and historical anti-Russian sentiment... Holodomor is just part of it, minor at that - and consider this for a second: it not worst Russians did to Ukrainians, it's just the most glaring one. But for me it's meaningless - they are Ukrainian nationalists of Bandera and Vlasov colors, so as a Pole I do equate that and I am not amused by it.
3. Again, NATO did not invade anyone. Russia has more than enough to resist that invasion. And I'd like to point out that Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania are even worse in that anti-Russian sentiment and "pro-Nazi" views than Ukraine and it's all fine? Did you know, for example, that ethnic Russians living in Lithuania until joining the EU weren't even Lithuanian citizens? And that was because during USSR times Russians introduced ethnic apartheid in there (and other Baltic states)? Also, NATO did not invade Serbia. And I am young enough to remember Srebrenica and a lot of other places, and Serbs were, just like Russians now, told to stop. Or will you deny all the Balkan war Serbian atrocities, as well?
However, it is all completely beside the point because Russia GUARANTEED Ukrainian sovereignity over those regions when USSR fell. In the borders as they were for 20 years before Russian invasions... And, incidentally, Ukraine gave up nukes for those guarantees. If this - by which I mean Russian - style of operations meets your approval, then I guess we're done with this conversation.
As for us Poles - we are in the position that is unique in the world, because like Israel we have some bad blood with Germans (yes, Hitler singled US - JEWS AND POLES, but I guess we're used to be excluded by everyone from everything), AS WELL AS WITH SOVIETS (and Russians especially). There is genuine argument to be made that in many respects Soviet occupation was at least as bad as Nazi Germany prior, not to mention that in 1939 Poland was invaded by BOTH. We remember.
So do not try and lecture us about anything, please. You keep showing your superior ignorance of things, and coupled with your arrogance it is most hilarious (though not in a good way).